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    I think it’s more to do with the “inner expirience” when one takes a drink, that is, once you put alcohol in your body, do you crave more alcohol?
    How many times one has been to prison, or how many divorces, bankruptcies etc one has, does not make them an “alcoholic”, they are the consequences that come after taking the first drink.
    I know when I drank, I played LOUD music, I [play LOUD music when I’m sober, but when i’m sober I make sure it’s not 3am, when I used to drink, music would always play, very loud.
    So just because i like to play loud music at 3am when I’m drunk and another likes to jay walk, will the jay walker say to the me then I am not an alcoholic, and would i say to the jay walker, neither are you cos you don’t play music LOUDER at 3am?
    No, it’s what happens after the first drink, do I want to drink more due to a craving?



    Welcome to both of our new sr members…:wavey:

    tavajava. and Pete55.



    I’ve heard a lot of people in the rooms say, “I didn’t get in trouble every time I drank, but every time I was in trouble, it was because of my drinking.”

    So you continue to drink, in spite of all these negative outcomes. Does that suggest a certain obsession to drink, regardless what you know might happen? (You said you could relate to the jaywalker.)

    Alcoholics engage in self-defeating behavior, not because they have some underlying need to sabotage themselves, but because the nature of alcoholism is that it screws up your life. The compulsion to drink results in bad outcomes on a regular basis.

    Stop drinking, and the negative consequences don’t occur. If other self-defeating behavior occurs in sobriety, working the Steps can show you what you are doing wrong.

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